这些都是爱扭曲的样子 They're all distortions of love.
歇斯底里是其中一种 Hysteria of one sort or another.
圣父就是这样定义它们的 That's how the Holy Father defined them.
我们认识吗 Do we know each other?
你是 You are...
索菲娅·杜布瓦 Sofia Dubois,
汤马西·阿特布鲁克的妻子 人人都认识你 Tomas Altbruck's wife. Everybody knows you.
而我是 And I am...
利奥波德·埃塞斯 Leopold Essence.
一位无名小卒 Whom no one knows.
你刚才说什么 What were you saying just now?
我刚才说 跟随心中之爱 Follow the love, I was saying.
你将会找到失败 That's where you will find failure.
抱歉 但你是谁 Excuse me, but who are you?
我是这世界上第二智慧之人 I am the second most intelligent man in the world.
既然我们在讨论这个话题 While we are on that subject,
我们能将 is it possible to call...
汤马西·阿特布鲁克 Tomas Altbruck...
称为一个"人"吗 a "Man"?
跟随心中所爱 索菲娅 Follow the love, Sofia.
新教宗 第六集
你更喜欢谁 Whom did you prefer?
庇护十三世还是方济各二世 Pius XIII or Francis II?
我更了解庇护十三世 I knew Pius XIII better.
那你选庇护十三世了 为什么 So Pius XIII, then. Why?
-因为他相信我 -我也一样 - Because he believed in me. - I believe in you, too.
但你会相信我吗 But will you believe in me?
我会把亏欠你的给法比亚诺 I'll give what's owed to you to Fabiano.
不 直接给我 No. You will give it to me.
法比亚诺已经不存在了 对你我而言 Fabiano no longer exists. For me or for you.
而我来决定金额 And I will decide the amount.
每次一万五 15000 a visit.
这是应该的 As it should be.
你来之前 阿塔纳西奥会叫一整晚 Before you arrived, Attanasio would scream all night.
二十年来这房子里没人能睡个好觉 For 20 years, no one in this house got any sleep.
但现在他熟睡如婴儿 But now he sleeps like a baby.
多亏了你 Thanks to you.
你呢 埃斯特 你好吗 And you, Ester, how are you?
你和阿塔纳西奥一样平静下来了吗 Are you calm, like Attanasio?
或像大海般波涛汹涌 Or stormy, like the sea?
汹涌 Stormy.
因为 你看到危险了吗 Because... you see the danger?
-什么危险 -愉悦 - What danger? - Pleasure.
一种你从未体验 A pleasure you didn't experience before,
从未渴求 didn't long for,
甚至不知其存在的愉悦 didn't even know existed.
一种意料之外的愉悦正在渗透你 An unexpected pleasure is seeping into you,
一种你没有考虑过的感受 a sensation you hadn't reckoned with.
我知道我在说什么 埃斯特 I know what I'm talking about, Ester.
我知道 I know.
为母者可以... A mother is capable of...
做一切来... anything in order to...
我得和你谈谈某件事 I have to talk to you about something,
但我不知道怎么开口 but I don't know how.
阿塔纳西奥不是唯一一个 Attanasio is not the only one.
我不明白 I don't understand.
阿塔纳西奥不是唯一一个 Attanasio is not the only one
我也不是唯一一个受苦的母亲 and I am not the only mother who suffers.
世上有千万个我们 埃斯特 There are lots of us, Ester.
有许多富足却不快乐的父母 Lots of well-off, unhappy parents
他们的孩子没人想多看一眼 with children no one wants to look at,
因为自然并未赐福于他们 because nature has turned against them.
他们都在等着你 埃斯特 They are all waiting for you, Ester.
你有一种天赋 You have a gift,
而你终于开始认识到这种天赋了 which you are finally beginning to recognize.
-什么天赋 -人类的温暖 - What gift? - The gift of human warmth.
你是位圣人 埃斯特 You're a saint, Ester!
我只是娼妓 I am a whore.
你知道圣人和娼妓间的区别 Do you know what the difference is
是什么吗 between a whore and a saint?
没有区别 None.
早安
请见谅 大人 现在很晚了 Forgive me, Eminence. It's late.
我打扰到你了吗 Have I disturbed you?
你发现什么关于 What have you discovered
斯巴拉提 圭恰迪尼和你丈夫的事了 about Spalletta, Guicciardini, and your husband?
他们都经常光顾同一位 All three of them frequent
未成年少女 而且是同时 the same under-age girl. At the same time.
我明白了 I see.
你看上去没有很困扰的样子 You don't seem particularly perturbed.
斯巴拉提的事我已经知道了 I knew about Spalletta already.
圭恰迪尼和你丈夫都没有教职 Guicciardini and your husband are laymen.
我对他们没有那么在意 They concern me only up to a certain point.
你要说的就是这些吗 That's all you have to say?
一百二十九次呼吸 然后一声叹息 129 breaths. Then a sigh.
-所以他们还在广播吗 -对 - So they are still broadcasting? - Yes.
这只是新发展中的一件 还有一件 It's not the only new developments. There is another.
一桩的确是 A certain threesome
让人无法理解的三人行 who are operating in a decidedly opaque manner.
不仅在金钱方面 Both at the financial level,
我说的是我们自己的金融机构 I am referring to various unscrupulous operations
各种虚假无底线的操作 carried out by our own financial organization,
还有在私人层面上 and at the private level.
更准确地说 是在道德层面上 The moral level, to be precise.
您想让我详细说明一下吗 Would you like me to elaborate?
我对政治和流言的痛恨是一样的 I detest politics and gossip in equal measure,
但在我们的这个小小国度 but in this little state of ours,
连教宗都无法 it seems impossible for even the pope
避免事情落得空前下流 to avoid matters from unprecedented vulgarity.
我很高兴能在这里帮您 I am delighted to be here and help you.
那就方便了 大人 因为只有你能帮我 That is convenient, Eminence, for only you can help me.
因为我们在说的就是你 As it's you we're talking about.
我们得重新考虑一些事 We need to rethink things.
有些行为一旦公开 就会暴露我 Certain behaviors, if made public, would expose me,
人们就会说若望·保禄三世无所作为 and people would say John Paul III does nothing.
请容我解释 圣父 Allow me to explain, Holy Father.
阿特布鲁克和我是在取悦圭恰迪尼 Altbruck and I are making Guicciardini happy.
作为交换 In exchange,
他劝阻了总统采用极端措施 he has dissuaded the prime minister from taking lethal measures.
废除《千分之八法》并非他们唯一的考虑 Repealing the eight per thousand wasn't the only item on the table.
他们甚至在考虑 They were even considering
对教会资产征收税款 introducing a tax on the Church properties,
追溯生效 effective retroactively.
我提醒一下 Let me remind you that
我们的资产从没纳过税 we have never paid taxes on our properties.
您知道那对于教会的经济 Do you have any idea what that would mean
会有多大的影响吗 in economic terms for the Church?
一场灾难 A catastrophe.
教会不想那样 The Church doesn't want that,
很明显 nor, obviously,
那些直接牵扯其中的人也不想 do those directly involved.
只有两个人 There are only two people
会泄露圭恰迪尼 阿特布鲁克 who could divulge the agreement
和我之间的协议 between Guicciardini, Altbruck and me.
一个是你 One is you,
但你我 but you and I have...
已经有共同的利害关系 already affirmed our mutual affection,
并不会想威胁对方 rather than any inclination to blackmail.
另一个就是国务枢机卿 The other is the Secretary of State
就他而言 who, however,
他总是倾向于 has always tended
完完全全特立独行 toward complete and total autonomy,
甚至事关教宗 even in regard to the pope,
他追求的那些神秘的利益 and who purses mysterious interests
除了他自己没人知道 that are completely unknown to everyone but himself.
所以国务枢机卿那边 So, regarding the Secretary of State,
情况要无常得多 the situation is far more volatile,
而您 教宗陛下 and you, Your Holiness,
只有您才能化解 are the only one who can diffuse it.
汤马西·阿特布鲁克和斯巴拉提在洗钱 Tomas Altbruck and Spalletta are laundering money.
他们通过海外公司付钱给圭恰迪尼 They're paying Guicciardini through offshore companies,
从我们的金融结构里取的资金 withdrawing funds from our financial structure.
对于这些操作 我不做道德评判 I make no moral judgment regarding these operations.
对我来说这就只是权宜之计 For me it's merely a question of expediency.
迟早哪个进取的记者 Sooner or later some enterprising journalist
会来探查我们的事 will stick his nose in our business
然后揭露一切 and uncover everything.
您就会被扯进接踵而至的丑闻 And you will be dragged in to the ensuing scandal.
我对丑闻无感 对名声也一样 Scandal leaves me indifferent, as does reputation.
那些是小资产阶级关心的事 Those are concerns for the petite bourgeoisie.
我并不属于那个阶级 A class which I do not belong.
我则被认作合适的人选 I was thought proper form,
打磨至完美 成为"神秘"之人 polished to perfection, becomes "mystical".
随您的便 教宗陛下 As you like, Your Holiness.
你要知道 大人 You know, Eminence,
我这么说是为了你好 I am saying that for your own good,
或许你是时候退让一步了 perhaps it's time you took the step back.
我不明白 您什么意思 I don't understand. What do you mean?
拜托 跟你明说会让我很痛苦 Please, it will pain me to spell it out for you.
你很清楚我的意思 You understand perfectly well what I mean.
我是这个教会 I am the longest-serving
在位时间最长的国务枢机卿 Secretary of State in the history of the Church.
肯定是有理由的 There must be a reason!
我相信理由有很多 There are hundreds, I am sure.
但是既然你已经有了 But since you already hold the record
侍奉教宗时间上的纪录 for service to the papacy,
何不把你煞费苦心 why not use the network
历时多年建造 you have painstakingly constructed over decades
获取知识与经验的网络 in the vast wealth of knowledge and experience
传给下一代人 you have acquired, as a bequest to a new generation?
由新任国务枢机卿为首 比如 Represented by a new Secretary of State, say...
阿森特红衣主教那样的 someone like Cardinal Assente.
您是在询问还是命令我 Are you asking or ordering me?
我不喜欢被迫选择 I do not like to have to choose
我也不喜欢下命令 and I do not like giving orders.
我喜欢 我很喜欢下命令 I do. I adore giving orders.
这是我的一生 It's my whole life.
安排采访吧 我准备好了 Schedule the interview. I'm ready.
-我正准备去见你 -你怎么样 - I was on my way to see you. - How are you?
很紧张 埃塞斯在我车里放了只蟑螂 Tense. Essence planted a cockroach in my car.
你觉得他是想威胁我吗 大人 Do you think he was trying to intimidate me, Eminence?
是非常隐晦的威胁 但的确是 A rather crude form of intimidation, but yes.
他们想保证你不会说出去 They want to make sure you don't talk.
-我该怎么做 -什么都别说 - What am I supposed to do? - Don't talk.
怎么了 你看起来不太一样 毫无生气 What's wrong? You look different... You look lifeless.
那不勒斯队输了 Napoli lost.
-你想见我吗 大人 -对 很紧急 - You wanted to see me, Eminence? - Yes, rather urgently.
我要给你调任 立刻生效 I am transferring you. Effective immediately.
-你是要提拔我吗 -不仅如此 - You're promoting me? - Even better!
-我要让你作传教士 -我要去哪里 - I'm making you a missionary. - Where am I going?
去喀布尔 To Kabul.
喀布尔 Kabul?
但是喀布尔没有天主教徒 But there are no Catholics in Kabul!
正是 传教士要做什么 开创先河 Exactly! What does a missionary do? He begins.
你为什么要这样 Why are you doing this?
在喀布尔 In Kabul there are no pedophile priests
没有需要掩盖恋童罪恶的神父 whose sins need to be covered.
再见 赫尔南德斯 Goodbye Hernandez!
我要跟你们谈谈 I have to talk to you.
我专断地违背了你们所有的请求 Imperiously, and in violation of all your demands,
替你们当中的一些人做出了决定 I have made some decisions for a number of you.
玛拉妮修女 Sister Melanie,
你会得到一周两次的 you will receive psychological assistance
免费心理援助 twice a week, free of charge.
为什么 这太无礼了 Why? This is outrageous.
因为玛拉妮修女有盗窃癖 Because Sister Melanie is a kleptomaniac.
而伊万卡修女 Sister Ivanka, on the other hand,
将交由苏丽修女照顾 will be transferred to Sister Suree's care.
-她要在教宗身边工作 -为什么 - She will work for the pope. - But why?
因为她不断遭受到三位修女性骚扰 Because she is continually mistreated and sexually harassed
我就不点名字了 by three sisters who shall remain nameless.
几个世纪以来 Discretion, let it be remembered through the centuries,
谨慎一直是国务卿最重要的 has always been one of the greatest attributes
品德之一 of the Secretary of State.
院长嬷嬷 你一直没注意到伊万卡修女的苦楚 Reverend Mother, you never noticed Sister Ivanka's suffering,
但我一点也不责备你 but I do not reproach you in the least.
你没有注意到是因为 You didn't notice it because you are preoccupied
你为自己的乳房底部忧心忡忡 by something at the base of your breast.
你整日想的都是这个 It is all you think about,
但是你没有让自己直面问题 but you cannot bring yourself to confront the issue.
所以我来替你面对 So, I decided to confront it for you.
给你挂了周二上午九点 You have an appointment
杰梅利医院的号 at the Gemelli Hospital on Tuesday morning at 9:00.
维拉尔医生 罗马最好的肿瘤医生 With Doctor Vilar. One of the best oncologists in Rome.
-怎么样 -还行 - How is it going? - Fine.
但是我很害怕 But I'm scared.
别怕 我也替你考虑了 Don't be. I have thought about you, too.
我假装各位向我提出了一个请求 I pretended that you sisters presented me with a request,
要我准许在修院里收养孤儿 to be allowed to receive orphans inside the convent.
我同意你们的请求 And I have authorized your request.
卡特琳娜的孩子 Caterina's baby will be
就是你们假装收养的第一个孤儿 the first pretend orphan you will receive.
每隔一段时间 你们都会小心翼翼地 Every now and then, with every precaution,
让费萨尔在园丁的小棚屋里看孩子 you will let Faisal see the baby, inside the gardeners' shed.
不能在这里 这里太危险了 Not here. It is too dangerous here.
我们的事情你是怎么知道的 How do you know all these things about us?
我是教会有史以来 Because I am the longest-serving
任职时间最长的国务卿 Secretary of State in the history of the Church,
我的一生都在收集信息 and I have spent my life informing myself.
至于你 莉塞特修女 And now for you, Sister Lisette.
我有话要先对你说 大人 I have something to say to you first, Eminence.
wifi速度慢是你故意而为的 The wi-fi is slow because you slowed it deliberately.
你怕我们的抗议会传播蔓延 You're afraid that our protest will spread.
我说过你会是一个强大的对手 I told you that you would be a formidable adversary.
什么时候能批准我们面见圣父的要求 At what point is our request to meet with the Holy Father?
没有可能了 At a dead end.
因为从今天开始 我不再是国务卿了 Because as of today I am no longer the Secretary of State.
我离开这里就会上交辞呈 When I leave here, I will submit my resignation.
会得到批准 所以你们要向新的国务卿 And it will be accepted. So you will have to file a new request,
阿森特红衣主教重新提出请求了 with the new Secretary of State, Cardinal Assente.
您建议我们怎么做 大人 What do you advise us to do, Eminence?
继续你们的战斗 To carry on with your battle,
你们有千千万万的理由 you have not one but a thousand reasons to.
谢谢 大人 Thank you, Eminence.
你们知道这些无尽的权利之争 Do you know what is so awful
有什么可怕的吗 about these endless battles over rights?
一点诗意都没有 There's no room left for poetry.
你想给他起什么名字 What are you thinking of naming him?
我们还没想好 We haven't decided yet.
我可以建议给他起名为安吉洛吗 像我一样 May I suggest you name him Angelo? Like me.
-要是女孩呢 -还是安吉洛 男女都能用 - And if it's a girl? - Still Angelo. It's a unisex name.
米莫大人
如果你不介意 我们在这陪您一会
像您一样 也喜欢花
今天我给您带了一朵最漂亮的
-周四见 -不 埃斯特 - See you on Thursday? - No, Ester.
我们的关系就此结束 Our relationship ends here.
什么 What?
为什么 Why?
阿塔纳西奥和其他人厌倦了这个 Attanasio and the others choose they are tired of this.
就连他们也会对例行安排感到乏味 Even they get bored from routine.
阿塔纳西奥才不会厌倦我 Attanasio is not tired of me.
你已经不是小女孩了 埃斯特 You're not a girl anymore, Ester.
我们找到了一些要价很低的非洲女性 And we found some African women who cost a lot less
而且比你年轻许多 and are much younger than you.
而且你也要为自己的未来考虑 Besides you need to think about your future.
你以前很穷 我们让你富了起来 You were poor, we've made you well-off.
现在你有了大房子 还有保姆 Now you have a nice house, a babysitter,
去给自己找个正常的老公 go find yourself a normal husband,
做点别的事吧 do something else.
你以为会怎样 就这样一直下去 What do you expect? That this would go on forever?
这不是重点 That's not the point.
那什么是 What is the point then?
重点是 The point is...
我需要阿塔纳西奥 is that I need Attanasio.
这正是不可能的 That's exactly what's not going to work.
你什么意思 What are you saying?
可以做爱 不能相爱 Sex yes, love no?
-正是 -我不明白 - Precisely. - I don't understand.
你真是个傻瓜 埃斯特 You're such a fool, Ester.
性没有任何价值 因为它即生即灭 Sex has no value, because it lives and dies in the present.
而爱却不会 But love doesn't.
爱很危险 因为它面向未来 Love is dangerous, because it looks to the future.
你和阿塔纳西奥能有什么样的未来 What sort of future could have be for you and Attanasio?
每周四晚上我来这里 这就是未来 Every Thursday night, when I come here, that's the future.
你也不用再付我一分钱了 And you wouldn't have to pay another penny,
如果这是问题所在的话 if that's an issue.
不 No!
到此为止了 It ends here.
阿塔纳西奥不会回应你的爱 Attanasio doesn't return your love.
我明白了... I see...
只有你能爱阿塔纳西奥 是吧 Only you can love Attanasio, right?
正是如此 埃斯特 That's exactly right Ester.
只有我能爱阿塔纳西奥 Only I can love Attanasio.
任何意义上的 In every sense.
圣父 我祈求您 Holy Father, I beg you
我恳求您 I implore you, please.
停下我的手 Stop my hand.
需要我把您的盒子拿来吗 先生 Shall I bring you your box, Sir?
我觉得我不需要它也可以 谢谢你 丹尼 I think that I can manage without it. Thank you, Danny.
你觉得他们会开电视看我吗 我爸妈 Do you think they will watch me on telly? My parents?
嗯 我觉得会的 Yes, I do.
你在发抖 我也是 You are trembling. So am I.
圣父 谢谢您 Holy Father, thank you.
我的感激之情溢于言表 Words are not enough to express my gratitude.
在全球广播上回答我们的问题 Answering our questions in a worldwide broadcast
于我们而言是一份无可比拟的殊荣 is an unparalleled privilege for us.
而且这是史上头一次 And this is the first time that such a thing has happened,
教宗答应直播采访 且内容不受限制 a pontiff agreeing to a live, free-ranging interview.
-谢谢 -那我们就开始吧 - Thank you. - Well then, let's get started.
我们已经了解了若望·保禄三世 We have come to know John Paul III.
但我们也想了解约翰·布兰诺克斯爵士 But we would also like to get to know Sir John Brannox.
圣父 约翰·布兰诺克斯是谁 Holy Father, just who is John Brannox?
一位曾有幸 或者说依然有幸 A priest who had, or has,
被上帝宠爱更胜于他宠爱自己的神父 the good fortune to be more loved by God than he is by himself.
您是在什么地方长大的 And where did you grow up?
我基本上一辈子都待在我家族的庄园里 I spent almost my entire life on our family's estate,
在伦敦郊外 on the outskirts of London.
同住的有我父亲 我母亲 Together with my father, my mother,
曾经还有我的孪生兄弟 亚当 once upon a time my twin brother, Adam,
以及一千多只黇鹿 and a thousand or so fallow deer.
您的兄弟 亚当... Your brother Adam...
圣父 您的童年曾遭受了不幸事件的创伤 Your youth, Holy Father, was scarred by a sorrowful event.
有一天 你们正在一起滑雪 One day, while you were skiing together,
您的兄弟忽然发病身亡 your brother suddenly took ill and died.
我知道您二位关系非常亲密 I understand that the two of you were very close.
在那次不幸之后您的生活发生了什么样的变化 How did your life change after that tragic event?
我的哀伤 和所有悲恸一样 My grief, like all great sorrows,
是无法言说的 cannot be expressed in words.
字典中 The dictionary
没有足以表达的词汇 does not contain the adequate words.
我的人生改变了 My life changed,
但更重要的是 我的信仰变了 but more importantly my faith changed.
在亚当去世之前 Before Adam's death,
生活如同一条漫长而平静的河流 life was a long and quiet river,
我把生活看作是理所应当 taken for granted.
也许甚至可以说是纯净的 仪式性的 Perhaps pure and ritualistic even.
但转瞬之间 在亚当去世之后 But almost immediately, after Adam's passing,
一种隐秘而激烈的宗教笃信击中了我 a secret and scorching religiosity penetrated me,
一种磐石一般且隐秘的东西 something rocky and hidden.
我将自己与外界隔绝 I closed myself off from the world.
但那种隔绝... But that closure...
开启了我内心的某种秘密生活 began a sort of hidden life of the heart.
纽曼红衣主教也许会称之为 What Cardinal Newman might have referred to
"心的秘密行动" as the "Secret actions of the heart".
而当圣灵给我启发 And when the Holy Spirit breathed in me
我的人生再次改变 and my life changed again,
我成为了教宗 罗马的主教 I was made pope and bishop of Rome,
我意识到我的时机已到 I realized that the time had come for me
是时候将我隐秘的忠诚 献给世界上的 to offer up to the Catholics of the world
天主教徒了 my secret devotion.
变成了一种公开活跃的忠诚 An active devotion, then.
是的 一种... Yes. An...
公开活跃的忠诚 active devotion.
那其中包含了什么 您的首要任务是什么 What does it consist of? And what are your priorities?
什么 Pardon?
那其中包含了什么 您的首要任务是什么 What does it consist of? And what are your priorities?
我的首要任务是邪恶 My priority is evil.
必须要... Evil that...
坦率面对的邪恶 must be look at openly,
不带虚伪 without hypocrisy,
不加区别 无论价值观地面对 without distinctions, without value scales.
邪恶就是邪恶 Evil is evil.
这么说来 如果您不反对的话 In that case, if you have no objection,
我想和您一个一个地探讨 I'd like to explore with you, one at a time,
困扰教会的"邪恶"的方方面面 all the aspects of this "evil" that assails the church.
我相信您会很乐意告诉我们 I'm sure that you'll be happy to tell us
教会打算何以为继 how the church intends to proceed.
其中一个最为紧要的议题 One of the most urgent themes
就是席卷神父 主教 和红衣主教的 is the wave of sex abuse scandals
性侵丑闻风波 that has swept over priests, bishops, and cardinals.
我们中断采访吧 Let's break off the interview.
你疯了吗 这是直播 Are you mad? We're live!
教会要如何阻止这一切 What can the church do to stop all this?
相信我 他撑不住了 Believe me, he's not going to make it.
他当然能撑住 他只是有点紧张 Of course he will, he's just a little bit nervous.
圣父比其他任何人都更清楚如何掌控全场 The Holy Father knows better than anyone how to take the stage.
-你不知道是吧 -知道什么 - You don't get it, do you? - Get what?
他正在戒断期 该死 He's in withdrawal, damn it!
失陪 Excuse me.
原谅我 圣父 如果我被爱 Forgive me, blessed Father, if I have been loved.
或我爱他人 And if I have loved.
原谅我 圣父 因为它给我带来过欢愉 Forgive me, blessed Father, for it brought me pleasure.